carmina vs meermin sizing

In that regard, let me plug TLB as a particularly sound value proposition. Down by half. The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. if I like a pair of suede Edward Greens chelseas and Meermin (or Allen Edmond or Loake) chelseas the same out of the box, would I enjoy the EG uppers longer because theyre of a higher grade suede? Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. Would you have any insight into the quality of the GC ready to wear versus C&J handgrade please? **Notes about feet:** Left foot pretty much bang on 9D, right foot maybe 9.25D. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. HOK 9: Acceptable fit. These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. Bored of counting likes on social networks? Im not sure who and why the person you talked with from Barker said anything else, but a quick visit to their website or just a Google will you show you that he or her were wrong. I have loafers on their Xim and they're too big for my by a hair. Allen Edmonds is a shoe company and will always be known as such. P-79 last 10D: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. Here there the number of brands increases, particularly with start-ups. Suede from CF Stead and rubber Victory soles. Our featured affiliate vendor of the week is a brand new affiliate vendor, the artisan Bespoke Shoemaker Szuba. are priced above the equivalent Allen Edmonds, usually at an Alden equivalent price. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. Oliver 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks, like a glove custom-molded to my foot. DESCRIPTION VIEW MODELS Forest is Carmina's most archetypal and early last. Lots of toe room and good heel feeling. It's a reasonably generous last. My 20 year old AS are still in great shape as are my relatively newer C&J Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. Thin socks preferred due to somewhat narrow toe box. if youre going to write mean spirited attacks on someone you shouldnt be surprised that they defend themselves and reply in kind Its the same width as the 8.5E, but just a smidge longer and is perfect. Ive mostly moved to bespoke now due to my weird feet, but I do own a pair of Morjas suede chukkas that I use in bad weather. Im a regular customer of both Jermyn Street shops and the customer service Ive consistently experienced over many years has been exceptionally good, significantly better than Ive experienced in some other, more expensive establishments that will be well known to readers of this blog. Yes they do take a while to break in, but once they were, they ended up being just as comfortable as all my other GYW shoes. The toe length isn't excessive either. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. I've been told that the forest last is the only one available in a wide, but only in mto. Parkhurst 9D: Great fit. Alden Barrie 9D: Slightly snug, still comfortable, but my least favorite Alden last so far. All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. s. It is my impression that, notwithstanding Cleverleys arm-waving and misdirection regarding their provenance, the Cleverely RTW are made by C&J. Carmina is the best of the Mallorca-based shoemakers (which includes Meermin and TLB Mallorca), but is more expensive than either Meermin or Spier & Mackay by about double. Bought before I understood my size. Meermin (above) has also become big, mostly in the US. Free shipping for many products! I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). Pretty good fit, but I need a kilty for some of the volume while new, will probably break in more and be able to be cinched down better over time. Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. Among the many pairs I tried a pair of color 8 CXL beefrolls were the best fitting. After that in the US you get down into much cheaper brands, like John Doe which are made in Mexico. Meermin Burgundy Oxford Shoe || Men's US 8 UK 7 E. $50.00 + $32.48 shipping. Might not be the same for everyone, but many who havent tried bespoke shoes would be very happy once they do, that Im quite sure off. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. Could not find info. But its a not a secret that English brands, in general (this for example does not go for the premium brands) use less good leather soles than Spanish and Italian makers of welted shoes, in general. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Carmina Men's Wing Tip Oxford. For reference, previous sizing threads 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 for extra data points. The new El Salvador ones were too tight and I'd require a 10.5. Thank you for this listing Simon. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. I do appreciate your recommendations to other blogs/websites/magazines as its not always easy to spot good work in the vast numbers of style websites. Job done. **. The comment is only in reference to leather. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. The heel is the most notably roomier and the length actually seems to be the same. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Bought before I understood my size. How to measure your feet. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. For example, I dont really care about super fine handwork on a shirt. Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). Significantly roomier fit than the 65 last so, even though they don't fit my foot shape well, they're reasonably comfortable. These shoes are well-appraised by people worldwide for their comfort, style, and proper appearance. Foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes some bowing. My personal experience I can unreservedly recommend Allen Edmonds (the Strand in particular). I still end up with shoes that are markedly higher quality than the vast majority of whats sold, and the more reasonable prices allow me to accumulate a broader range of options. I've come to think of myself as a 10E. Merrell Vapor Glove: 10D, no issues since there's barely any structure. My understanding is that AE is below the likes of Crocketts in terms of make, but thats based on the input of people like Jesper who know more about them than I do. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. The quality would probably tell more in the calf than the suede too, so makes sense to do it that way around. I acknowledge I am emotionally attached to AE, it was the first quality brand I could access. The quotes throughout are his. Ive only been reading PS for a few months, and I immediately got hooked to the point that I spend my free time reading past articles in order to catch up. I also have a pair of Loding chelsea boots (and other Loding things) I think in the end theyre too narrow for me. This is certainly true, and prices mentioned in this article are towards each brands respective domestic markets.. Whats interesting is that for US customers it can go both ways depending on guidelines/restrictions from the brands. Edward Green does for example. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. For 200, its a really solid shoe. Ive spent up to $2000 on a suit or sports jacket or coat on various occasions but have never spent more than $350 on a pair of shoes. With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. Although classed as subs, most of the time you would be hard pushed to see why. I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. France doesnt have the shoemaking tradition of the UK, Spain or Italy, and its brands like Loding or Orbans are all made in Spain and Portugal. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. From a comfort perspective these are unrivaled for the price, similar to how I have heard Baudoin & Lange described. Its a EEE and taller toe box with room everywhere. Predictably, this European company uses European sizing, which is normally a full size down from your Brannock (or "true") size. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. I once dumped a veritable fortune on a pair of bespoke Berluttis that caused me so much physical discomfort I was left with the impression they had been designed by the Gestapo. If you are in the market for a pair of elegant footwear, Id recommend for you duly consider buying the Carmina shoes. Good engineer last and terrible service boot, there's a reason they never went production on em. 55 last 9.5E: Excellent fit with thick or thin socks, this is what boot heaven feels like! Carmina Shoes - Definitive Thread (reviews, advice, sizing, etc) - official thread. I have a review of a pair of them here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2016/08/12/review-crownhill-shoes-the-stewart/. Most of my pairs are 9E, which need thicker socks to fit really well (E is the standard Alden width at most European retailers). I really only wear white, which is why we launched with this. 5 years ago, I probably would have bought an Oxford of some kind. The customer service is great though! regards judging quality by calf not suede? Although, suede uppers would take a long time to wear out. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. MASSIVE. 3. Sendra has its own brand as well as making for others, which is a little more expensive than Berwick or Meermin. As someone who has purchased a few of these brands, I found this article to be very interesting and accurate. Im looking forward to stopping by! Simon as always your articles are informative and an education. I have covered Vass and TLB Artista before. To be honest, I wasnt impressed. (Portuguese shoemaker) Comfy fit. 65 last 10D: Bad fit. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. I was very impressed with the integrity of your website after reading IS THIS AN ADVERT? I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. I think the short answer is that yes, it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. But you might want to chat with Carmina first to double-check. Is higher volume though. Shoe makes are easier than almost anything to compare in this respect, because you get something more at each level. Buy Meermin shoes today because of how affordable they are. It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. $215 shipped to the US. * **Oriental Shoemaker unknown oxford last** 8.5US is comfortable but instep is too low. AE is a company around 100 years old and about thrice Aldens turnover, I always heard that only second to it in quality in the US, so that seemed odd. My personal thoughts are as follows: Loake As the article suggests, the Loake 1880 is the bare minimum you should go for. Viberg 2020 8.5 Stitchdown: Pretty snug, cannot wear boot socks in. Even more troubling is that I found no review by an established website stating so. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. Somehow lower instep than E? Snug toe box, foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes significant bowing. The English brands at this price level are Loake (1880 range, above) and Barker, both of whom make their uppers in Asia to cut down on costs. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. Id advise anyone whos a fan of RTW Northampton and Spanish shoes to go to the source and/or their stockists. A little little uncomfortable initially, but that's just due to the heel counter. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. You may learn more here. But their attempt to branch out has caused them to lose their focus. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. The quality Crockett & Jones is now significantly better than Trickers, both sole and uppers. I wear chup socks with all of my shoes and boots these days, but for some of these I wore Darn Tough crew light or Darn Tough cushioned boot socks. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. You have aimed at a balance of smart casual, RTW / MTM / bespoke really useful and affordable; you have catered for all. I wrote an article about it many years ago on the Swedish version of Shoegazing (before English was launched) which, to summarise, had the conclusion that its down to vanity. Of course a 200 shoe is going to look and feel cheap. I have some upcoming which Ill be updating once arrived. I dont think theyre very different, but no I cant compare directly, as I dont own GC RTW. The close-channel stitching is also a plus, you know youre getting more handwork for the soles. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. As someone who has handled or owned several of these brands I thought it would be helpful to offer my experience, anecdotal though it may be. Foot extends past footbed on sides. Meermin HOK 8.5E UK: Pretty decent fit with boot socks. C&J have been my staple for more than 20 years, and I find that their 348 and 341 last feel like old friend straight our of the box. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. Cheers Michael, its hard to appreciate that price differential from over here in the EU. Oak Street Bootmakers Elston 9.5D: Only tried on, seemed like a good fit, but the boots went back for a return. Interested to hear your thoughts if one abstracts from the usual price mark-up due to branding etc. Not sure why this is the case. RUI 9: Great fit as I recall from trying in a store over a year ago. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). Yanko 915 3 eyelet derby 9.5UK: Probably more form fitting and snug than tlb or carmina (probably due to sizing down) but near perfect in shape. I'm also guessing that either 9 or 9.5 in their new wide sizes would work well. Parkhurst 18 Last 9D: Too narrow, should have gone TTS. Its a standard Goodyear shoe, with no fuss. The dress shoes classics hold their own. As someone who generally purchases shoes in this price point and has experiences with Carmina, Loake, Allen Edmonds, Berwick and Meermin.. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Break-in was tough. In addition to the Artista line you allude to, they also have a great customization program. An interesting read. JavaScript is disabled. **The older 2040s are tighter, because of the older style of heel pad, if you find it too tight I recommend considering swapping out the heel pads. These classy are built for the ultimate style, comfort, functionality, and elegance of the elite. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? REGULATION AND US. I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. It depends what else you have of course, but a dark brown or slimmer overall look is more likely to be more useful,.and certainly better for suits. Edward Green)? in fact my favourite leather is meermin museum calf, while meermin llama I dont really like, and I wouldnt touch their black box calf with a 10 pole. CJ or Alden or even something slightly lower end like Lof & Tung that is made more tastefully) and higher end makers (e.g. Maybe I experimented with them too early. Had the same experience with a pair of Oxfords from them and asked their sales rep about it. However, a really bright or unsual patina has never really been my style, and is becoming even less so. Not sure the best place for this, and realise there is no correct answer but was wondering your view on the proportional cost of shoes to suits, shirts etc? Doc Martens or Loake 1880 for Chelsea boots ? A reader even referenced it in a comment above on this post. They used to offer calf leather and Goodyear welting at incredible prices though the soles would wear quickly and their shops recommended Topy. I converted my US size to UK and got that one, should have done 1/2 down from UK. I will look for a similar style shoe latest next year. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. 2. Red Wing Moc Toe: 10D, narrow in ball of foot. There are many levels at tanneries, and cheaper brands dont get the same quality or the first selection. Meermin shoes are also very comfortable due to the relaxed feel of their Double Insoles System but they are not as comfortable as the Carmina shoes. Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. Alden Trublanace 9D: Far more volume than I need and a lot of play side to side in the ankle area but certainly comfortable. Their leather in general is terrible, even after wearing the shoe almost a year on a regular basis (hoping it will get softer), it keeps being stiff and uncomfortable. These boots make me want to convert my entire boot collection to White's. Boot socks. Like I said, it wont work for everyone, but might be an option if on a budget. Im not the only one. Truman P-79 9D: Nice fit. I used to be in England regularly, but missed the chance to check out their below-5 widths. Roomy toe box, heel is snug and hugs my foot all around. You could specify any combo you wanted (dark navy to black, or dark purple to black, etc.) Notes about feet: Low instep, low arch, wide-ish with somewhat splayed toes. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. Allen Edmonds 511 9.5D: Seemed like a bad fit or just poorly lasted. I have a pair of Berwick chukkas and theyre pretty decent but they also dont feel as good to wear as the AEs (personally I wish Id spent more money on a higher quality make, but the store was out of C&J chukkas at the time). HIRO 9: Terrible fit. Thanks, Simon, Ive read those already. I just purchased them and they are in transit from Sweden. Loake1880 is good starting point and it used to be a very good value. Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. Theyre a good place to start: a baseline of quality. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. Meermins are not bad fits though; these shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to blend with your feet measurements accurately once you get the right sizing. Again, a big thank you to Simon and Jesper for the article. The soles on the Trickers town shoes wear down quickly. Particularly annoying is when they talk about cutting out a middle man, and going straight to consumer. In my experience, AE is not second to the former neither in leather quality nor make, and features more comfortable footbeds (especially vs Carmina), only it is not as sleek. From time to time you find great deals for +/- USD 600. Thanks Simon, great work as always. I guess what I am saying is that depending on where youre, the good value for under certain dollar amount list will really change for you. Own a pair of derby shoes in the last now. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). Perhaps more time and break in on the stiff leather sole would make it work. 8UK was much too loose. Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Moreover, theres no industry standard in how to name these things so anyone can call anything what they like. I appreciate that there are differences, I just care more about some differences than others. One think really dont understand is why GC dilute their brand with the C&J RTW line instead of focusing on the Anthony Cleverley line which I hardly see being sold anywhere. Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. Alden Barrie (lined shell): 10D, a little snug at the big toe but great in the ball and very supportive overall. Please use this thread to list your sizing in various lasts compared to your Brannock size. Sizing as 10E and filling in vertical space as needed seems to offer the best fit, without any of the above problems. Theyre good at marketing and following trends in particular, and have done very well in recent years. 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